From: "Judy Geater" Dear all
Here are a few opening thoughts on the first section of 'The Vampire
Tapestry', mainly focusing on Katje - I'll send a separate posting probably
tomorrow looking more at Weyland, because sadly I've run out of time!
At first, I felt as if the book was a series of short stories or novellas
rather than a novel, because each section seems to be almost self-contained,
with a new cast of characters. However, the central figure of the vampire
does run through the book and hold it together, and we see his character
changing as he is affected by the events. By the end I certainly felt I had
read a complete novel, even though it is in some ways fragmented.
The first thing that really struck me was the title of the first section -
'The Ancient Mind at Work'. On the face of it, the ancient mind belongs to
the vampire, Dr Weyland, who has survived from past centuries, although at
the start of the book we do not know whether he is an undead, sleeping at
night in a coffin somewhere, or really alive in the late 20th century. (We
quickly learn that he is alive, and this is confirmed at the end of the
chapter when Katje's bullets hurt him rather than passing straight through
him - he is flesh and blood, though of a strange kind.)
But, in another way, the woman who suspects and then hunts him also has an
'ancient mind'. Katje de Groot also feels that her world is past - she grew
up in a South Africa which no longer exists, and there is a powerful passage
which links her with the vampire.
This is probably the passage which stuck in my mind the most from this
chapter, so I was interested to see that Anne Cranny Francis picks it out as
a turning-point in her essay 'On the Vampire Tapestry', which is included in
Clive Bloom's anthology 'Gothic Horror' - I was lucky enough to pick this up
at the library today.
Francis discusses the race and gender politics of this section, and shows
that Katje's views change through interaction with the vampire. She says
that Katje wants to ignore the politics of South Africa, but eventually she
realises this is impossible - because of her knowledge of the vampire, she
sees that she too is an outsider.
Similarly, Katje's view of other women changes when she is attacked by the
vampire - there is a rapist on the campus, and she had taken the view that
rape victims brought it on themselves, but, when she is put in the same
position herself, she is forced to realise she was wrong.
I'm not sure if I fully follow everything in Francis's essay, but I
certainly found it interesting, and she gives a strong feminist perspective
on the novel.
It is noticeable that Katje's view of her colleague Jackson changes during
the chapter. At first, while outwardly polite, she secretly thinks of him in
dismissive and racist terms, as this worrying sentence shows:
But, as she pursues and is pursued by Weyland, she also comes to know
Jackson better and to see him as an individual rather than a stereotype. At
the end of the chapter she is keen to avoid getting Jackson into trouble and
messing up his college career - and she is also prepared to go home to the
present-day South Africa and, it is implied, help to work to defeat the
apartheid regime which was coming to an end.
Judy Geater
To Litalk-l
December 9, 2001
Re: Vampire Tapestry: An old Hawk
Dear Judy and all,
Thank you so much for the commentary from Francis's essay.
Like Bryan I see the name Weyland as an allusion to Charles
Brockden Brown's Wieland. I wish I could say more than
the name suggests "here is American Gothic", but I've only
read an excerpt of the novel in Rictor Norton's Gothic
Readings, and Norton's description doesn't make Brown's
book sound like this one: "Brown was fascinated by
pathological mental states", though the subtitle is "or,
The Transformation" and as Dr Weyland tells the audience
the vampire can die and come back and be transformed
over centuries, each time reappearing in another way
and having to mould himself to an era, so Norton says
of Wieland: it is about "identity conflict .... 'transformations'
betwene 'inner' and 'outer selves, 'doppelgangers, multiple
motivations and the unreliablity of our own perceptions."
Another parallel that comes to mind is that in "The
Unicorn Tapestry" Weyland visits a psychologist
who attempts to analyze him and at first doesn't
believe he's a vampire. Actually some of my students
asserted they didn't believe Weyland was a vampire
either. I tried to tell them that although the
conventional paraphernailia was gone and he
did play tricks with the psychologist and the book
is psychological in the modern sense (relativist,
subjectivities emphasized), nonetheless, the
man is a vampire. To say he's not is to take away
its power. I instanced Radcliffe. I dunno that I
convinced those who disbelieved.
Like Judy what struck me as I began to read this
book was how unlike most previous gothic stories
I had read this one is -- how little paraphernalia
of the conventional sort. Dr Weyland has some
fun mocking it. I had only read a few 20th century
pieces. This second time through I do see the
strangenesses. They are quiet, not overdone or
theatrical: references to his power like a tiger
or lion ("slightly leonine"), to his age and
alienation ("sockets darkened with fatigue,
had a withdrawn pensive aspect"). They are
scattered throughout. He is also mocking
and witty -- a quality people associate with
Stoker's resonant-voiced creature (it's said
Stoker modelled his vampire partly on Henry
Irving, the actor for whom Stoker worked).
For example:
"a deprivation which cannot have improved
his temper ... [I like to sleep too] The daring lecture where he amuses himself.
He is a dangerous creature too: "He cut her
throat."
The author mocks too: "Wouldn't he be
lonely?" sighed a girl; "A nervous girl
ventured ... "[and the rest of a mock on
pseudo-sophistication against "the ancient
mind"]
I agree with Judy that the dream work and
Mrs de Groot are well chosen as parallels
and reinforcements.
There is academic satire here too and
Katje's position made her a sympathetic
figure for me. I did like Jackson said
to her when she asked him if his
aunt who was a cleaning woman "minded
her work?"
Yes. Weyland does what it comes to him
to do -- though, and this makes me smile,
he doesn't thank God for it.
The book makes me smile in odd ways;
it's a kind of snarl-smile at moral cant
which I nonetheless feel real sympathy
with. I am also drawn to the sexuality
of it - for no matter how Weyland denies
any sexual content, it's there; he's
alluring. Handsome. There's the line
"he had the aspect of an old hawk,
intent but aloof". There is the whiff
of the Montonis of gothic, but it's better
for the image is natural. There's a line
in a Nancy Griffin song (she's a folk-singer
I like very much) where she sings of
a hawk flying high on a wing. The Mercedes
is Weyland's wing - did anyone else
remember the evil aggresive Cropper
who also got about in a Mercedes?
Cheers to all Re: Vampire Tapestry and The Great Divorce: Why the American
South or Southwest?
This chapter also led me to wonder why
Louisiana is so often a focus for modern
US gothic. Anne Rich sets her book
in Louisiana. So too several of Valerie
Martin's, and this second reading made me
recall Martin's The Great Divorce.
Arizona (or is the place New Mexico)
is not Louisiana, but still the "feel" of
this book recalled Valerie Martin's.
The Great Divorce also makes the
same parallels between men and
wild animals. Martin's book is interwoven
instead of separate episodes, but they
go back and forth in time. Women
are peculiarly vulnerable, and there is
a strong woman who deals with ill
tiger-cats.
Martin does not write vampire
fiction, and The Great Divorce doesn't
even have any real supernatural. But she did rewrite Jekyll and Hyde and other of
her stories and novels are gothics.
I am wondering if Charnas loses
anything but not building the usual
atmosphere of palpable dread and
anxiety and keeping the uncanny
at the margins of her text.
Cheers to all,
Ellen
To Litalk-l
December 10, 2001
Re: The Vampire Tapestry: Katja de Groot and Jessica Lange as Rob Roy's
woman
Laura Carroll's posting [now lost] is very interesting. I agree that
Katje de Groot functions as a sort of Van Helsing figure:
that she mocks the character points to the consciousness
of this identification in the text.
I'm not troubled by her as a character in a fiction. I often
distinguish between the way I feel about characters in
fictions and people in real life. Were I to meet with such
a woman in real life I might keep away; I doubt we'd
have much to say to one another; I would not like her
reactionary views. Of course there might be much else
to her I would like (though maybe not), at any rate
much that no book could easily
dramatize unless it were a Tolstoi like fiction, and
even then it would be shaped to a purpose.
A character in a fiction (to me) functions symbolically,
and as a symbol I am drawn to Katje. I see her as
standing for the anti-modern world with its pseudo-
sophistications which keep at bay, short circuit
the terrors and mysteries of our real existences,
the anti-medicine, anti-science, anti-learning theme
so typical of gothic books from Frankenstein
on. She distrusts the Freudian explanation which
explains away what is not to be ignored and not to
be made sense of by moralising. And the book
proves her to have more wisdom than the learned
people about her. She has roots in the archetype
of the wise woman-witch.
Laura made me realize another aspect of this
figure which helps me to get a lien on the sexuality,
the frisson of this book. Laura wrote:
I might not like to live on the stoeps but as
imaginative experience and what that stands
for in my life and what I probably experience
more subtly or at least only in the
margins of my existence (I won't embarrass
anyone by specifying where) I do find her valid.
A month or so ago I watched the film adaptation
of Rob Roy and found myself similarly identifying,
finding valid Rob Roy's wife as played by
Jessica Lange. Liam Nelson as the eternal
Patriarchal Male allured me with his strong
kindness -- and direct sex. The film put me
in mind of an 18th
century poem by Elizabeth Tollet where the female
speaker revels in savagery of her man:
Ask me no more, my truth to prove, I identify with this, especially as played
by Jessica Lange as Mary MacGregor.
Not that I could endure the life of the woman as shown in the film or this poem for real. It's
an erotic dream.
Not that Charnas allows this. She's not
having it: Katja pulls out a gun; we hear
the voice of the male in "I cut her throat".
Still Katja carries in her figure this
archetype even if the turn of the story --
pay attention to what happens in
a story, it counts -- tells us such a rough
woman would turn on the man with a
wholly egoistic violence as animal as
his.
That final scene between Katja and Weyland
is now amusing -- I see it in a new angle
I hadn't before. The savage lady no
longer swoons but pulls out her gun,
and as for the anima well she's very
silly -- as we can see from the replies
such Adeline-like figures give Weyland
in his lecture. He'd eat them up in
seconds; they are no meal for him.
Not even enough for an appetizer.
That's why he goes for Katja. I see it.
Ah, the real enjoyment here is the snarl-smile.
Charnas has reversed the archetype.
The thing is though Katja is old; she has
had her sex life, so in a way the reversal
is a kind of trick, with the dice loaded
against the archetype to start with.
We never see Jessica Lange when
old -- and a cleaning woman.
Ellen
Re: The racism angle
The racism angle [referring back to Part 1] recalls Dracula's own racial origins and rhetoric,
which must
have made him especially horrific to 1890s Victorian readers.
There's Drac's southeastern European origins, also very suspect to many
American readers of the time.
He mingles his blood with the heroes' and heroines', a nice example of
fantasy's tendency to take metaphors literally.
Then there's his own origin story:
From: Ellen Moody Dear Susan and all,
I am glad of an
excuse to talk about why people read gothics. One reason
people rarely talk for real about why they read them is they
are unwilling to say they like to read deeply melancholy
literature -- for the kind of snarl-smile surface that we have
in our present modern guarded variant of the gothic is
rooted in the deeply melancholy. They are unwilling to
say they find real pleasure in strong critiques of our
society because the next thing you need they'll find
themselves confronted with reproachful but determined
apologetics for things as they are, for a sense of
proportion, for "balance" (great word that). They
are unwilling openly to revel in the pessmistic --
I use this word as the most neutral inclusive one
I can because gothic is both reactionary and radical;
curiously its subversion moves both to the right
and left (Godwin wrote gothics) equally.
I am just now reading a novel by Germaine de Stael:
Delphine, and this conversation reminds me of
her great treatise on fiction and literature where she
forcibly describes what is valuable in literature and
fiction itself as instances of the above. I don't have the
time to type it out but it is available in an anthology
called Major Writings of Germaine de Stael
edited by Vivien Folkenflik.
Cheers to all, From: "Judy Geater" Dear all
Ellen wrote
When I started reading the book, I suppose I was expecting the ancient
gestures along with the ancient mind. Up to now I had only read
19th-century vampire tales - so I definitely assumed the vampire would be an
undead, complete with all the paraphernalia of garlic and crucifixes, and
was wondering how Charnas could make all this convincing in a modern world.
However, her vampire is very different from the Dracula image, as she shows
in the very first sentence,
which immediately makes it clear that this is a modern vampire and not like
anything we might expect:
That prosaic "Tuesday morning" immediately shows us that this won't be a
movie vampire, and he isn't. We first meet him shutting a door - not passing
through it - and wiping his mouth with a handkerchief, a physical detail
which suggests that this vampire is a substantial figure rather than a
ghostly shadow.
The opening passage conjures up the movie image, which sounds like
Christopher Lee in the Hammer horror films: "the movie vampire had swirled
about in a black cloak, not a raincoat, and had gone after bosomy young
females", but only gives us this image in order to dismiss it. Katje
realises that Weyland is nothing like this old cliché.
She herself goes on to dismiss 'Dracula' as "a silly book," and scoffs at
Van Helsing, her own counterpart, while Weyland rejects all the old
stage-business in his lecture, presenting the vampire as "the greatest of
all predators, living as he would off the top of the food chain," and
scoffing at the garlic etc, He plays with the audience by telling them
exactly how he lives, with the long periods sleeping in suspended animation,
but presenting it all as something hypothetical, an intellectual joke.
By piling on so many layers, with the knowing references to the film and
book versions of vampires, Charnas somehow makes it possible for the reader
to accept her own portrayal as less outlandish. She manages to make a
50-year sleep seem more likely than an undead vampire stepping out of his
coffin - even though of course both are equally impossible in the real
world.
Although there are a lot of differences between Weyland and Dracula, though,
there are some similarities - he too is tall, aristocratic and with that
strange sexual magnetism which makes people fall under his spell. Charnas
enters on the dream origins of much of the great horror fiction ('Dracula'
was partly inspired by a dream) by making Weyland be in charge of a sleep
laboratory and study dreams.
I've been puzzling over whether the name "Weyland" has some special
significance, but haven't come up with anything, except perhaps coming from
a land far away? Does anybody have any other ideas on this?
Thanks to Mario for the information on 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'. It sounds
as if I will have to give it a look, even at this late stage in the series!
Judy Geater
From: balexand I agree about the episodic feel of the novel. Each section appears nearly
autonomous, referencing the others - more like a serial (a nod to *Varney*?!).
About whose mind is ancient - I love considering Katje in that, ah, vein.
I'm also wondering if that mind isn't supposed to be ours, humanity's, as
well. After all, the novel will use Weyland (cf Charles Brockden Brown's, and
possibly America's, first novel) as a way of looking at humans. This vamp's
been with us for a very long time, and surely offers sage, time-accumulated
observations.
Bryan, excited as seeing a discussion begin with which he might actually, for
once, be able to participate
From: "Laura Jean Carroll" Did other people find Katje de Groot a troubling and difficult figure? I
thought that in making hers the key observing consciousness of the first
section of the book, Charnas took a big risk. Katje is unattractively
nostalgic for her Afrikaaner life, a world that is, as Judy said, past; and
that most of us would say good riddance to. But no; Katje wants to go back
to the house with a stoep and the hot yellow grass, back to killing wild
animals for fun and uncomplicated thinking about 'blacks' as sub-human.
I loathed her at first. I also thought she was written as a stupid person,
not just a bigoted one; it something about the way she allowed herself to
become convinced that Dr Weyland was a vampire on not much more than gut
feelings. (An interesting thread through the novel has to do with the
variety of ways the 'problem' of ancillary characters in each section
recognizing the vampire for what he is, is handled.) But as Ellen observed,
Katje's refusal to decorously remove herself from the campus after her
tenure as faculty wife expired awakens our sympathy, and respect, as does
her complete refusal to feel sorry for herself. But I don't think we feel
much for her, and when she shoots Weyland, I for one am certainly not egging
her on, even though at this point Weyland himself is none too appealing. (He
comes over as insufferably arrogant, no social skills, ruthless in the
academic rat-race, exploitative of his student's emotions...)
Judy is right to point out that there are hints of a change of heart in
Katje, at the close of the chapter, but I for one was not entirely convinced
by them. I think her more repellent traits have an important purpose in
setting the agenda of the book, and make better sense in retrospect. She's
the person who comes closest to matching the Van Helsing function in the
novel - fearless, ruthless vampire destroyer - and her capacity for
inflicting a certain kind of damage on Weyland is the product of her ability
to see members of other races as non-human, without lives, histories, or
feelings, and her hunter's ability to prey on creatures that want to live.
We have to ask ourselves whether the kind of person psychically equipped to
kill vampires is the kind of person we can have any respect for (I'd say
no..)
Katje's traits are Weyland's traits also, at the beginning of the book: but
this will change.
A couple of questions: do people know much about Loren Eiseley, dedicatee?
I'd like to know a bit about him. And perhaps the many people on the list
who have read more vampire fictio could tell me if there are other books
that make connections between vampires and academe / anthropology?
Also, thanks to the person who recommended Haruki Murakami. I'm 500 pages
into the Wind-up Bird Chronicle and enjoying it very much.
Laura Carroll
Re: VT, Part 1: Katje
Laura Carroll's posting is very interesting. I agree that
Katje de Groot functions as a sort of Van Helsing figure:
that she mocks the character points to the consciousness
of this identification in the text.
I'm not troubled by her as a character in a fiction. I often
distinguish between the way I feel about characters in
fictions and people in real life. Were I to meet with such
a woman in real life I might keep away; I doubt we'd
have much to say to one another; I would not like her
reactionary views. Of course there might be much else
to her I would like (though maybe not), at any rate
much that no book could easily
dramatize unless it were a Tolstoi like fiction, and
even then it would be shaped to a purpose.
A character in a fiction (to me) functions symbolically,
and as a symbol I am drawn to Katje. I see her as
standing for the anti-modern world with its pseudo-
sophistications which keep at bay, short circuit
the terrors and mysteries of our real existences,
the anti-medicine, anti-science, anti-learning theme
so typical of gothic books from Frankenstein
on. She distrusts the Freudian explanation which
explains away what is not to be ignored and not to
be made sense of by moralising. And the book
proves her to have more wisdom than the learned
people about her. She has roots in the archetype
of the wise woman-witch.
Laura made me realize another aspect of this
figure which helps me to get a lien on the sexuality,
the frisson of this book. Laura wrote:
Again I might not like to live on the stoeps but as
imaginative experience and what that stands
for in my life and what I probably experience
more subtly or at least only in the
margins of my existence (I won't embarrass
anyone by specifying where) I do find her valid.
Ellen
To:
Subject: 'The Vampire Tapestry' 1: Katje
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001
"Reluctantly she admitted that one of her feelings while listening to Dr
Weyland talk had been an unwilling empathy: if he was a one-way
time-traveler, so was she. She saw herself cut off from the old life of raw
vigor, the rivers of game, the smoky village air, all viewed from the
heights of white privilege. To lose one's world these days one did not have
to sleep for half a century; one had only to grow older."
"Katje never called him by his name because she didn't know whether he was
Jackson Somebody or Somebody Jackson, and she had learned to be careful in
everything to do with blacks in this country."
"If Weyland could fit himself to new future, so could she.She was adaptable
and determined - like him."
"I pay well."
"Jackson pulled up opposite
the bus stop. 'She said you just
do what it comes to you to do and
thank God for it" (p. 32).
Ellen
"Katje is unattractively nostalgic for her
Afrikaaner life, a world that is, as Judy said, past;
and that most of us would say good riddance to.
But no; Katje wants to go back to the house with
a stoep and the hot yellow grass, back to killing wild
animals for fun and uncomplicated thinking about 'blacks'
as sub-human.
Winter Song:
What I would suffer for my love.
With thee I would in exile go
To regions of eternal snow,
O'er floods by solid ice confined
Through forest bare with northern wind:
While all around my eyes I cast,
Where all is wild and all is waste.
If there the timorous stag you chase,
Or rouse to right a fiercer race,
Undaunted I thy arms would bear,
And give thy hand the hunter's spear.
When the low sun withdraws his light,
And menaces an half-year's night,
The conscious moon and stars above,
Shall guide me with my wandering love,
Beneath the mountain's hollow brow,
Or in its rocky cells below,
Thy rural feast I would provide,
Nor envy palaces their pride.
The softest moss should dress thy bed,
Withs savage spoils about thee spread;
While faithful love the watch should keep,
To banish danger from thy sleep.""We Szekelys have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of
many brave races who fought as the lion fights... Here, in the whirlpool of
European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit
which Thor and Wodin gave them, which the Berserkers displayed to such fell
intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the
peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come. Here, too, when they
came, they found the Huns, whose warlkie furty had swept the earth like a
living flame, till the dying peoples held that in their veins ran the blood of
those old witches, who, expelled from Scythia had mated with the devils in the
desert." (Ch. 3; 33-4, Norton critical ed)
To: litalk-l@frank.mtsu.edu
Subject: Why Read Gothics?
Ellen
To:
Subject: Vampire Tapestry 1: Weyland
I'll end this meandering posting by saying
that Charnas's book attempts to put
aside all these ancient mythic gestures
and paraphernalia. In this week's Part I Weyland makes fun of them.
> But she does keep the idea of
the wound and the knife, even though Weyland denies he is a victim and will not allow the least
whiff of sentimentality to be real.
"On a Tuesday morning Katje discovered that Dr Weyland was a vampire, like
the one in the movie she'd seen last week."
To: litalk-l
Subject: "Katje"
To: litalk-l@frank.mtsu.edu
Subject: VT part 1: Katje
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001
"Katje is unattractively nostalgic for her
Afrikaaner life, a world that is, as Judy said, past;
and that most of us would say good riddance to.
But no; Katje wants to go back to the house with
a stoep and the hot yellow grass, back to killing wild
animals for fun and uncomplicated thinking about 'blacks'
as sub-human.
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